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senator thune. a fiscal cliff deal is a new way calculating inflation that would lower social security payments. democrats say they would do it as part of much bigger deal but it was off the table for the smaller deal they are working on. so democrats called it a poison pill. >> at some point, negotiating process, it appears there are things that stopped us from moving forward. i hope we're not there, but we're getting real close. that is why i still hold out hope we can get something done, but i'm not overly optimistic but i'm cautiously optimistic. >> chuck schumer from new york continues to say the things, meaning a deal, always happens at the end. >> gregg: we'll probably hear about the change of cpi which is basically a new way of calculating an index the cost of living and slowing down the growth of sbph like social security. we'll probably hear about. mike, thanks very much. >> arthel: we're going to the white house where president obama is holding firm to his demand and blaming republicans for the failure to reach a deal. the president also appearing on a political talk show th
less than a week to get a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. not a lot of time. how did we get to this point? taking you back to last week, you remember john boehner tried to get that alternative bill through the house. his own bill. he didn't have the support to do it. it fell apart. now things are in the senate and it will be up to harry reid and mitch connell and the president to try to come to a compromise to avoid the tax hikes and spending cuts that go into effect on the first of the year. president obama had been working with house speaker john boehner and trying to get a big deal that dealt with tax reform and deficit reduction. that fell apart and talks have largely been stalled this entire time. there was a lost pressure to get something done. we have seen some of the impacts of the fiscal cliff. consumers saying they have been more cautious with their holiday spending because of the uncertainty in washington. economists warn it could get worse and the markets could be foiled if we go over the fiscal cliff. taxes will go up for the average american by about $2,000 and
have the political advantage of this deal, but the fiscal cliff could tip the country back into a recession. consumers are worried they'll start to pick up on the news and once it hits their paychecks they'll definitely feel it. >> do you think the consumers are paying as close attention as we'd like to think that they are. i think they are even though it's holiday time and going back to businesses and i was at the white house when president obama had a series of businesses with small business and big business owners and all of them had the same message. we want consumer confidence to remain strong and we want certainty for our businesses and even a ceo like lloyd blankfein of goldman sachs was out there and said he doesn't want taxes to go up on anybody, but compromise is the order of the day and from congress for business leaders. >> david jackson, you mentioned the white house has the political upper hand here. do you think if a new deal is reached that they maintain the political upper hand going into january and going into february as the debt limit negotiations start?
: they are frustrated. they wanted that house republicans to return a lot sooner to work on a fiscal cliff deal. we know that it will not return until sunday, the house, here is democrat chris van hollen from maryland. reporter: this is not a show. the last ditch effort to bring congressional leaders together to try to get at least a small package ordeal together before the new year. in order to avoid some of the tax hurts of the fiscal cliff and unemployment. reporter: while there are discussions about a final fiscal cliff deal, there is finger-pointing going on. the blame game, if you will, if everything falls apart and the u.s. economy goes over the fiscal cliff. harris: i have to tell you that wall street is starting to react for a fifth day of losses on wall street. stocks are reacting, it is the final friday before the fiscal cliff. the dow is a 55-point drop, but it has been lower at that. it is still early in the trading day yet. the forecast for today is not looking good. a fifth day of concern there among investors on wall street. jon: flirting with out 13,000 barrier. part of the looming fisc
: if lawmakers fail to strike a deal on the fiscal cliff, you've heard about that fiscal cliff by now -- this year's new year's eve will be a countdown to financial pain for many families all across the country. tax hikes mean nearly all americans will see less money in their paychecks. while the government will have to slash spending across the board with the military taking a hard hit. but economic news for 2013 apparently may be not all bad and some analysts say there are reasons to be optimistic. so let's bring in financial advisor carolyn castleberry. thank you for joining us. we could all use some good news. hopefully you're here to bring that. >> i will try. it doesn't seem like happy new year and fiscal cliff go in the same sentence. >> heather: it really doesn't. you know, we talked about the recession, it began five years ago, reportedly ended -- reportedly more than three years ago. yet 12 million americans looking for work. families have been drowning in mortgage debt for years on end. why should we feel optimistic about 2013? >> it's interesting, i was talking to some peo
, definitely going over. that whole fiscal cliff thing, where congress and the white house can't reach a deal on taxes and spending before the end of the year and they maybe get us into a recession, it's definitely happening. that was the whole point of president obama's press conference this afternoon. >> i still want to get this done. it's the right thing to do for our families, for our businesses, and for our entire economy. but the hour for immediate action is here. it is now. >> allow me a quick update here. that press conference, it came after president obama met with john boehner and nancy pelosi and harry reid and mitch mcconnell, so all the key congressional leaders. and listen to the president here. >> the american people are watching what we do here. obviously, their patience is already thin. this is deja vu all over again. america wonders why it is that in this town for some reason, you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable. why everything always has to wait until the last minute. well, we're now at the last minute. and the american people are not going to have any patien
, the vice president, and the treasury secretary trying to hammer out a fiscal cliff deal. the meeting began about an hour ago in what could be the final face-to-face meeting between the president and lawmakers of both parties before monday's midnight deadline. the house is scheduled to reconvene on sunday evening to do what we don't exactly know. so joining us live from the white house is nbc's kristin welker. kristin, welcome. >> reporter: thanks, karen. good afternoon. >> so what are we hearing about this meeting? i know it's still going on. any news? >> reporter: well, we do know this, a source familiar with these talks says that president obama is not going to be offering anything new during this afternoon's meeting. he's essentially going to be saying what he said at the white house last friday when he called on congress to put forth a package that would extend bush era tax cuts for those making $250,000 or less, extend unemployment insurance benefits, as well as stave off some of those deep spending cuts that are set to go into effect. the president is going to make the argument that
apart. on their demands to prevent a fiscal cliff that will take a lot of negotiating to reach a deal. >> the american people know what's at stake here, we have a tenuous recovery, we have more people going back to work now, businesses are a little more confident. but this is really important, this fiscal cliff is an important element in economic recovery, i hope we get it done. >> across the aisle. republican congressman, tom cole says a deal, any deal will be hard to get done. >> there's not enough revenue in this package to fix the fiscal problems for the country. we're going to be in hand to hand warfare beginning in january with the continuing resolution the debt ceiling to try to deal with spending issues. >> continued uncertainty about tax and spending policies in 2013 could result in another recession. frustration seems to be the operative word tonight. if no fiscal cliff deal is reached, most everyone's taxes will go up tuesday with deep spending cuts kicking in. earlier i spoke with a democratic and republican strategist. they seemed to echo the sentiment of the voters. >> t
seems to be the operative word tonight. if no fiscal cliff deal is reached, most everyone's taxes will go up tuesday with deep spending cuts kicking in. earlier i spoke with a democratic and republican strategist. they seemed to echo the sentiment of the voters. >> this is like, when you at the beginning of the year and you're in school at the beginning of the year, you get assigned a big project and you leave it until the last night. when i used to do that, my parents used to punish me. if kids were behaving the way these congress people are, they would be in the time out. if it was the public sector they would be fired. the only solution lies with us, the american people, and with us the voters demanding that they start working together and actually coming up with something. we cannot continue having these spec tackles every few months. it's like making sausage. >> can we talk about the optics of this? there are many saying this is a republican and democratic problem, we're here because republicans won't play ball. >> it's easy for me to say that, i do think that politically, th
to texas for the first time in 35 years. we still have the fiscal cliff to deal with. stocks falling for a fifth straight day. that is the longest slump since september. direct tv customers are in for some higher bills. about 4.5% higher. the company is putting the blame on tv channel owners saying those channels are increasing the fees that they charge direct tv for the rights to broadcast programming. the new prices will take effect on february 7th. american airlines and usair rays were looking at plans to merge. the merger may not happen. that is unless pilot groups from both carriers can agree on interim contract terms. pilots are concerned about seniority if and when those airlines merge as they determine compensation, work schedules the type of aircraft flown. if there were to join forces and would become the world's largest airline based on passenger traffic. next expert tips on avoiding car collisions. and just ahead what you may find in the produce aisle that could curb the effects of a hangover. and live music this midday from bryan white. he's on stage tomorrow night at
people are saying this fiscal cliff deal isn't going to happen pause the two sides are too far apart and there simply isn't enough time yet. mark, i will begin with you, what happens if we go over the cliff? what will americans experience? >> well i think we are going to go over the cliff. quite frankly i think it is a good thing the prospects of getting a deal after january 1 are significantly higher and that is for three reasons. first now president obama has all the leverage. after january 1st the leverage shifts to the gop. because president obama perfectly going over the fiscal cliff to blame republicans because he can't default on the debt. he will have to compromise between now and february. second of all the baseline gets reset if the tax cuts expire. everybody will propose a tax cut in january and right now we're fighting whether to increase taxes or not. you can see possibility of a deal seen as win-win for both sides. third, if republicans don't come up with a deal, a bad deal right now, they still have the $800 billion in revenue they put on the table from limiting deduct
to put together a deal to arod the fiscal cliff. time for our sunday group, bill kristol. evan bayh, byron york and kirsten powers. well, bill, you just heard mitch mcconnell say he is hopeful and optimistic. will congress pass something in the next 48 hours, something to avoid the fiscal cliff? >> i don't know. but i guess probably. and it will be a bad deal but i suppose better than doing nothing. amazing every working american's taxes will go up on january 1. they are doing nothing about the payroll tax which is a big increase, 2%. and we will have totally irresponsible defense cuts. everybody agrees this is probably bad policy to have middle class americans taxes go up and this is what congress thinks is a good deal. >> chris: i'm not sure they think it is a good deal but a deal that avoids the worst of the fiscal cliff. senator bayh, obviously we don't know what is your sense? no filibuster in the senate. you heard what lindsey graham said and do republicans pass whatever it is that the senate agrees to? >> i think the odds are some what better than 50/50, chris, that we get a
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today to avoid the fiscal cliff. but no deal, asanger builds across the country, the clock is ticking. just four days left before taxes go up for all americans and federal programs see major cuts. we've shown you the math here. the average american household would see their tax bill go up nearly $3,500. this evening, president obama telling congress, the american people are watching what we're doing here. he appeared in the briefing room a short time ago. let's go right to jon carl tonight. good evening. >> reporter: good evening, david. there are finally signs of life here in washington. after meeting with congressional leaders here at the white house, the president pronounced himself modestly optimistic that a bipartisan agreement can finally be struck that would prevent taxes from going up on virtually everybody in just four days. >> reporter: aftereeting with the congressional leaders, the president said there would be one more effort to come to a bipartisan agreement to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> the hour for immediate action is here. it is now. and the american people are not go
we expect a deal here or is the nation heading over the fiscal cliff? >> we can still avoid going over the fiscal cliff if the president and the democrat-controlled senate step forward this week and work with republicans to solve this problem and solve it now. [ roasting firewood ] ♪ many hot dogs are within you. try pepto-bismol to-go, it's the power of pepto, but it fits in your pocket. now tell the world daniel... of pepto-bismol to-go. >> gregg: time for a quick check of the headlines. police have a suspect in custody in new york city's deadly subway push. the woman apparently made statements implicating herself in thursday's murder of a 46-year-old man. >>> same sex marriages are now legal in the state of maine. the law went into effect at midnight and authorities immediately began issuing licenses and performing weddings. >>> a french court rejecting a 75% millionaire's income tax scheduled to begin in 2013. the tax would have made the rich contribute a whole lot more to cutting public deficit. >> arthel: here at home as senator leaders work behind closed doors to cut an 1
tonight putting the pressure squarely on the senate so broker a deal on the fiscal cliff. >> senators reid and mcconnell are working on such an agreement as we speak. but if an agreement isn't reached in time between senator reid and senator mcconnell, then i will urge senator reid to bring to the floor a basic package for an up or down vote, one that protects the middle class from an income tax hike, extends the vital life line of unemployment insurance to 2 million americans looking for a job, and lays the groundwork for future cooperation on more economic growth and deficit reduction. >> and just moments ago, senator harry reid says he's readying a bill for a vote by monday. all this follows a rare face to face-closed-door meeting at the white housed to between all the key players. the president, the vice president, the treasury secretary, and all four congressional leaders. huddled together with just four days to go before we all go over the fiscal cliff. that meeting lasted for an hour and five minutes. now on a story where every second and every maneuver counts let's get right to chi
passed to deal with the fiscal cliff that are now over the united states senate. if the senate wants to do anything with them, amend them and send them back to the house and perhaps the house will act on it. essentially what boehner is saying is we're not making any moves until the senate amends the two bills we passed over or sends a new one. what are in those bills? well, they essentially extend the bush tax cuts permanently for all earners. and then to avert the sequester and other types of cuts, they make what a lot of liberals have called draconian cuts to meals on wheels, food stamps. it goes into discretionary spending. the house passed bills are absolutely would go nowhere. and would be vee toad by president obama. so this is what we're seeing on the statement the day after christmas is while you guys figure out some solution, we wash our hands of it. >> as a follow-up, i'm putting my press secretary hat on for a second and say the response i would expect from the democratic side from the senate is hey, we passed a bill too. we passed a bill that does the same thing. why don'
is coming back to washington to try to reach a deal on avoiding the fiscal cliff. he now has less than a week until automatic tax hikes and sending cuts go into effect and the way out of this mess isn't clear. here's our senior congressional correspondent, dana bash. >> lisa, house republican leaders who are home for christmas held a conference call this afternoon to talk about when the house should come back in session. two gop sources tell me they did not make a decision. it's still up in the air. a reason for that is, if anything can get done in the next six days, the ball is in the senate's court. >>> the capital is a ghost town. the halls are empty, neither chamber in session. an eerie calm, since the fiscal cliff, only the congress has the power to avert, is less than one week away. at their homes for the holiday, the senate democratic leaders are trying to figure out if the president's scaled back bill, keeping middle class tax cuts in place, can pass congress at the 11th hour. >> there is absolutely no reason, none, not to protect these americans from a tax hike. at the very le
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. that's the bad news. we immediate to deal with the medicare fiscal cliff or you are not going on get your medical bills paid. >> remembering an american original. >> iraqis are dumb muff to attack her going to pay a terrible price. >> nicknamed stormin' norman for his ledgendary temper. he died thursday due to complications from pneumonia. >>> it is a year comes to a close, we look back at the amr moments that left us starstruck and speechless in 2012. >>> good day. i'm luke russert. live in washington, d.c. in for andrea this afternoon is the calm before the economic storm white house officials and congressional leaders have kept quiet. ahead of the pivotal round table discussions we all hope can produce some kind of plan to prevent a fiscal cliff dive in the new year. you guessed it. another day without a deal means more losses on wall street. look at those numbers will. 68 down for the dow. joining for the daily fix, nbc white house correspondent peter alexander. nbc's kelly o'donnell live on capitol hill. and jonathan capeheart. peter, let me start with you. there's this meeting
and vote on a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. in his first sunday talk show appearance in three years, president obama today called for congress to at least extend middle class tax cuts and unemployment benefits if no fiscal deal is reached. tax hike increase take effect january 1st. >>> the situation in the war-torn country is getting worse by the day. this weekend is proving him right. opposition activists say at least 397 people were killed across syria yesterday alone. if true, the deadliest day yet in almost two years in the civil war. the opizatiposition says more t 200 killed following a battle. >>> new england is getting a heavy dose of snow and freezing temperatures. boston is expected to get up to eight inches and the city's mayor has declared a snow emergency. neighboring rhode island is also getting pounded over a foot of snow has already fallen in some parts of that state. >>> some good news this morning about former president george h.w. bush. we're told he is improving and has been moved out of the intensive care unit of the houston hospital where he was being treated f
up, greta, we conjured up this fiscal cliff to make us deal with our nation's problems. we are still not going to do it. we are going to go into next year and, yes, the american people should be very disgusted. >> greta: i hold everybody in washington accountable for shoving us off that cliff. we are not falling off it you all are shoving us off it for not doing the job and if there is some deal forged about people who make $250,000 a year or less, it is because no one in this country wants to raise taxes on those people but you there has been some what of a dereliction of duty because you will delay the spending cuts which everyone agrees, are the republicans agree are important, you delay them because you haven't done your work and there is going to be no hammer to your heads to actually sit down and do it. like the immigration think that you are all so hucked up to handle a year ago and haven't done anything about. what in the world would be the -- what would possibly be the threat to you to get these spending cuts handled? >> well, first of all, i don't think that delay spending
is back to work trying to harsh out a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. the senate will get back from the session after holiday break. the president is expected to arrive back to the white house without his family to get back to twork mework to meet the loo deadline. mike is at the white house. let's start with you. the consensus around the hill is that we are more likely than not to go over the fiscal cliff, but there is a small chance harry reid could take a house pass bill and amend it and send it back over to the house. what are you hear being that? >> conceivably, but when the president lights upon the south lawn and the marine one later this morning, it's unclear why he is coming back and who will be here with him. as you mentioned, speaker boehner remains in ohio where he is from. he is not coming back to washington. neither is the house of representatives. they simply said it's up to harry reid in the senate. is he preparing a bill? there was a lot of talk of small ball. a bill to allow taxes to go up on everybody or at least couples that make more than $250,000 a year. $200,0
on the fiscal cliff deadline on december 31st. retiring senator joe lieberman puts the potential failure in historic perspective. >> i feel it's more likely we will go over the cliff than not, and if we allow that to happen, it will be the most colossal, consequential act of congressional irresponsibility in a long time, maybe ever in american history. >> when i listen to the president, i think the president is eager to go over the cliff for political purposes. i think he sees a political victory at the bottom of the cliff. he gets all this additional tax revenue for new programs. he gets to cut the military, which democrats have been calling for for years, and he gets to blame republicans for it. >> so, hey, merry christmas. our white house correspondent brianna keilar is traveling with the president in honolulu. brianna, are the white house and republicans even talking? >> reporter: no. they're not, carol. there's no substantive discussions going on between the white house and senate democrats and senate republicans and house republicans. and this is key because in order for the cliff
. and this is problematic obviously because in order to avoid the fiscal cliff, you would need to find some sort of deal that would make it through the senate and the house and that would need democratic and republican support. now, all eyes on the senate because they will reconvene on the 27th, thursday. and senate majority leader harry reid, it is up to him, really, to cobble together something that can get some of that support. right now the white house is still supporting a threshold of $250,000 back to their initial starting point for tax rates going up for those making more than that. but you can imagine, hala, that's going to be very hard for some republicans, maybe even some democrats to sign on to. >> right. and for just about a week ago, it was common to hear a deal will be hammered out. over the last several days we're hearing more and more that potentially this is a reality for americans in eight days' time. your sources in the administration, is there a real concern among some of the people you're speaking with that indeed this fiscal cliff will become a reality? >> i thi >> reporter: i thi
whether a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff is in the works or out of the question. in what passes for a sign of hope, senate staff members spent saturday shuttling papers presumably containing proposals between harry reid and mitch mcconnell's offices. both the senate and house are meeting today. joins me touk at that about where things stand is darrell issa of california and done nan edwards and michigan senator debbie sab snow and jon ba wrasse o from wyoming. what's up? what is happening that you can tell us about? >> well, there's a lot of work going on right now on both sides of the aisle in the senate to come to an aagreement. to me there's take basic principle, and if everybody agrees we can go forward. that is, don't hold middle class families hostage to the debate about whether or not the wealthiest americans should get another tax cut. i would argue we can't afford it as a country, but the question is, are we going to allow middle class families to see their taxes go up while we have this debate? if we can agree we will continue tax cuts for the middle class, everything else begins
of snow on the ground in the lower 48 than last year. >>> next, just six days until the fiscal cliff. the clock is ticking and it's not just about taxes. ahead, what else is at risk if a deal isn't reached in washington? >>> and the latest on former president george h.w. bush. an update on his condition is next. trust duracell to power their donated toys? duralock power preserve. it locks in power for up to 10 years in storage. guaranteed. duracell with duralock. trusted everywhere. i'm going to dream about that steak. i'm going to dream about that tiramisu. what a night, huh? but, um, can the test drive be over now? head back to the dealership? [ male announcer ] it's practically yours. but we still need your signature. volkswagen sign then drive is back. and it's never been easier to get a passat. that's the power of german engineering. get $0 down, $0 due at signing, $0 deposit, and $0 first month's payment on any new volkswagen. visit vwdealer.com today. advil pm® or tylenol pm. the advil pm® guy is spending less time lying awake with annoying aches and pains and more time asle
taking america right up to the fiscal cliff. three days now until higher taxes for all. will there be a deal? as americans and their 401(k)s already taking a hit. paying a brice because of that standoff. >>> crash landing. the jet that skidded off the runway nearly smashing into a crowded highway. >>> and back in the game. football coach's battle off the field inspired a major turnaround on it. and tonight, he's about to return. >> you're like -- >> tomorrow, a team's prayer answered. >>> good evening. it's great to have you with us here on a saturday night. we do begin here, with yet another holiday storm. the one-two punch this year, and tonight, on a weekend when so many are still traveling, a challenge out there. here's the radar this evening. rain and snow. tonight, it's moving through the ohio valley right into the northeast, from washington up through philly, new york and boston. this is just one of the many scenes on the highways tonight. this is i-83 outside of harrisburg. where several cars collided in the snow. several people were take on the the hospital. al
-called fiscal cliff, if we get to january 1st and no deal, i think there's a universal expectation that for 98% of the country, the income tax thing addressed within a week or two. neither democrats or republicans let that go completely. the amt is fixed basically every year. that's going to be fixed eventually. it looks like looking at the reports of the offer that obama is supposedly making this afternoon, going to tell republicans, yeah, you win on the estate tax if you take the offer and only thing talking about is the payroll tax. that's already obama apparently gave up on it two weeks ago and gone no matter what and only the refundables. >> yep. >> you're talking about hugely important to the working poor but for the vast majority of the country, it's almost ir el vant. we are just -- >> they aren't tax credits and what you fill out when you fill out your taxes which won't happen until 2014. if they're in effect, it costs the average family an extra $3,400 or so but in the first week, two weeks, actually, costs the average family about $40 and that's the payroll tax and if it's in effect
the fiscal cliff, tax rates will go up 9% to 33% for most all americans. that would also mean havoc for payroll companies and the irs that would have tro stro struggh how to handle withholding starting on january 1st. also unemployment benefits, those actually ran out today. that's something that republicans and democrats, we understand, are talking about right now. what else is at stake in the fiscal cliff? let's look at some other issues, things that we're not sure will be in a deal that comes out this week. at the top of that list, government spending cuts. that's about 8% to 10% in cuts to most every federal agency. also a pay cut for medicare doctors of 27% that would hit after january 1st. finally, don, there are a slew of other tax hikes. the alternative minimum tax is one that people talk about. the estate tax. these are all things that would affect average americans and which would hit on january 1st. so the fiscal cliff, it might be even bigger than people realize. don? >> lisa, thank you very much. >>> we've got a lot more planned for you this saturday night. here's what
off the fiscal cliff. president is flying back to washington tonight unconcern what kind of deal making possibles he will find when we will come back. republican leaders made no decision about when to call their members back nor it is clear what kind of deal, if any, they will have to vote on. a lot of digging tonight for cnn's dana bash. i know we don't have any decisions out of the call but do question have a sense what republicans are telling speaker boehner? how likely are we to see a vote in time to avoid going of the cliff? >> it is in part the reason why house republicans didn't make a decision to bring the house back or when to do it. the ball is in the senate's courts especially with senate democrats. that has changed big time since a few weeks ago. at this point what they are trying to figure out is whether or not they can find enough republicans to cross party lines for what the president proposed right before he left for hawaii which is a scaled-back bill focusing on tax cuts and on what he campaigned on which is only keeping the cuts in place for those making over $2
the fiscal cliff. meanwhile, president obama cut his hawaii vacation short to return to washington today. but has he been working on a deal? "outfront" tonight, reports from both ends of pennsylvania avenue. chief white house correspondent, jessica yellin, and senior congressional correspondent, dana bash. jessica, first, to you, the president's back in washington, wheels down. he left his christmas vacation early. but was this just a bit of showmanship, or has he been working on something specific? >> reporter: hey, john. well, today has been a bit of a quiet day here at the white house. publicly, the president has been scarce, no sign of him. behind closed doors, i'm told a few meetings internally, but mostly, relatively quiet. i expect we will see more from the president, perhaps we could even see him publicly tomorrow. perhaps he could even meet with or talk to some of the congressional leaders. the president's role in all of this, he can get each of the leaders to come closer on what the white house believes is already, pretty clearly, the framework for a final deal, and he can also
from going over the so-called fiscal cliff. they say if president obama and congress don't make a deal we will almost certainly see a recession. do you buy that, steven? >> the congressional budget office is a nonpartisan group that does this and says we will in fact have an immediate rescission. they say that we come out of a short, sharp recession stronger than we would be if we didn't go into that recession in the first place. we stop borrowing money from the future to prop us up now. we have the immediate problems but in the long term we are in gets shape. that's what they are grappling this. how do they best structure this to do the least amount of damage now but get us to the good economy in the future. >> reporter: if you look up a research paper from the president's own economist you'll find in the long run we are healthier, short run, yeah, it's painful. is that what motivates some of the republicans that, you know, what are called chuckle heads, but maybe in the end they are wisdom heads. >> that is certainly part of the motivation there. the other part of the motivation, and
. as lawmakers take us right up to that fiscal cliff. this evening, three days to go before taxes go up for all americans. will the president's pressure on congress bring in a deal? let's bring in jon karl on this. jon, are they any closer? >> a little closer, but they are certainly not there yet. tonight, congressional leaders are making one last-ditch effort to keep most americans from waking up to a big tax like on new year's day. with just three days left, finally a glimmer of hope. >> i'm hopeful and optimistic. >> whatever we come up with it's going to be imperfect. some people aren't going to a like it. >> reporter: right now, it's all in the hands of the two senate leaders. democratic harry reid and republican mitch mcconnell. they're working on a mini-deal that would prevent a tax increase for roughly 98% of american workers. extend unemployment benefits that are set to expire for some 2 million people. and prevent a huge cut in payments to medicare doctors. what took so long? >> the american people are watching what we do here. obviously, their patience is already thin. this is deja v
off the fiscal cliff, president obama is cutting his hawaiien family vacation short. flying back to washington tonight. unwhat kind of deal-making possibilities he will find when he gets back. house republican leaders held a conference call but no decision when to call members back nor is it clear what kind of deal, if any, they will have to vote on. a lot of moving pieces and a lot of digging for cnn's dana bash. i understand there were no decisions out of the call. do we have any sense what fellow republicans are telling speaker boehner? how likely are we going to see a vote before going over the cliff? >> it's up in the air. i'm told it is in part why house republicans didn't make a decision whether to bring the house back or when to do it. the ball is really in the senate's court, specifically with senate democrats. that changed big time since a couple of weeks ago. at this point what senate democrats are trying to figure out is whether or not they can find enough republicans to cross party lines for what the president proposed right before he left for hawaii which is a scale
in leading especially in the fiscal cliff, he wouldn't be in hawaii now, he'd be in washington making sure that we had a deal -- gregg: has boehner done his job? >> boehner has done a great job in trying to lead republicans to a solution. gregg: seriously? >> absolutely. gregg: he can't even get a vote on his own plan, come on. >> here's the problem, gregg, is we have a president who basically says it's his way or the highway, and republicans are saying, no, we will raise revenue, but we won't do it at the expense of spending. our problem is a president who loves to spend money, who's now put down another $6 trillion in debt, and basically wants to save a trillion dollars over ten years when he's spending a trillion dollars of money we don't have a year. gregg: you know what, dick? president obama campaigned on the idea of 800 billion in new revenue, and when he won re-election, he suddenly said i'm going to double it. i'm demanding now $1.6 trillion in new revenue. i mean, how do you negotiate with a guy who keeps changing his proposal? >> well, what's interesting is that speaker boehner
're calling it the fiscal cliff. [ speaking foreign language ] >> john boehner seems to care more about keeping his speakership than about keeping the nation on firm financial footing. >> let's take the american people out of the line of fire in terms of taxes. >> it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker. >> i have never known john boehner not to have a plan. >> it seems pretty dark right now. >> it looks like there's no way there's going to be any deal done. >> so i say to the speaker, take the escape hatch we've left you. >> we're not going to get anything done that doesn't involve some measure of compromise. >> it's not 100% sure that's going to work any longer, and now that we know how fanatical the fanatics are. >> it's like blah, blah, blah. >>> a very busy day here in washington and we want to take you right to the senate floor where senator mitch mcconnell is actually speaking about the fiscal cliff. let's take a listen. >> we'll see what the president has to propose. members on both sides of the aisle will review it, and then we'll decide how best to proceed. hope
and when. the fiscal cliff could hurt a little or a lot. at least in the short run. that is up to the government and the choices the government makes for the first weeks or month or two at least. for instance, the irs, the internal revenue service can decide what to do about how they treat the tax increase. the agency could delay increasing the amount it withholds from your paycheck each week assuming congress would reach a deal. that way you wouldn't notice the tax increase before it turned around. if it didn't get reversed, you're going to get quite a bill from the taxman. also if we go over the cliff, and the spending cuts begin to take hold, the various agencies of the federal government can consider putting employees on furlough. meaning they take unpaid days off. that's considered a better alternative than layoffs, if we don't get a deal quickly, the furloughs will have to become layoffs, that will mean real pain. >>> the great question is how quickly that pain will begin. would it hurt the real economy before we get a deal? or would the prospect of pain create such press
cliff drama is that mitch mcconnell is up in 2014. and to have his fingerprints on any deal at this juncture would probably invite a lot of hows if not a primary challenge whether or not that's successful. the bigger story here is the disintegration of any party institutions. in the past, the center of congressional campaign committees would probably be able to keep it at bay, use their resources, use their money to elevate the more moderate party minded politicians. nowadays, they've attributed a lot of that to these tea party groups. they say this person is not leading up to the conservative credentials. therefore, he they need to be plucked off. that is hampering a lot of legislative activity right now. >> and i think it's both issues here playing against the tea party. the style clearly isn't working. but i think once we get over the fiscal cliff, i think that 2013 is going to be a big policy issue. and i think that the idealogical conflict within the republican party is they have no economic policy answers to the problems of the day, to the shrinking middle class. the t
that's not allowed. >> teetering on the edge of the fiscal cliff with just 36 days to go until tax increases kick, in the white house and congress are playing a high stakes game of let's make a deal. >> only in america believes there has to be this what i believe to be really farce ical now surely -- the nature of the world is very fast moving, america has huge economic problems, heading for another fiscal cliff, everyone laughing at you from afenway park the american public sick and tired of all the games going on and there are you, grover norquist, a very bright guy still resolutely saying a pledge is a pledge is a pledge, it cannot be broken when many of your own party are now saying you know, what it doesn't make sense to have this irresolute position anymore. >> two things, the pledge is not for life. but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king, who tried to weasel out of it -- shame on him as the "new york sun" says tonight. i hope his wife understands commitments last a little longer than two years or something. >> whoa, hang on, hang on. that was a bit below t
to head back to washington and jump-start the fiscal cliff negotiations with congress. talks fell apart before christmas. the deadline now is just days away and there is no deal in sight to avoid the tax hikes and spending cuts set to go into effect january 1st. our juan williams is a fox news political analyst and he joins us today and very quickly, juan, merry christmas to you. >> merry christmas, kelly. kelly: this is daunting task facing congress to avert the so-called fiscal cliff that will set into motion more than $600 billion in drastic and draconian allic tax hikes and spending cuts. that will cause a lot of pain for all americans and does congress have enough time to act on this? >> they do. you know it will be very close and it may in fact go beyond the deadline per se although people are thinking at the moment it is possible to get something done by the end of this week. the key here, kelly, is the senate. we have been so focused on the house, speaker boehner, plan. about, plan b falling apart. now speaker boehner is pointing towards the senate and the white house is pointin
negotiations and john boehner and senate leader are working on a deal this morning to avoid the fiscal cliff, or as chris hayes and i call it, the fiscal curve. the deadline is soft. it's not like every american is going to be handed a bill on january 1st and there's way to manage the damage if the country goes over. the senate is set to convene this afternoon with the house to follow tonight. there's a chance that a compromise will be reached, less than 48 hours before tax rates revert to their clinton dasher are levels and board across the board spending cuts talk effect. when the president took to the podium friday afternoon to urge the law enforcements to get their act together with he didn't exactly project confidence. >> this is deja vu all over again. america wonders why it is that in this town for some reason, you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable. why everything always has to wait until the last minute. we're now at the last minute. and the american people are not going to have any patience for a politically self-inflicted wound to our economy. >> this may be why the pr
>>> maybe eight days and counting before a fiscal cliff. will a shift too the senate save the day? then paradise lost. will president obama leave hawaii behind the day after christmas if a deal is in the works and the election hangover. new comments from one of mitt romney's sons that you might describe as puzzling. what do they really mean? and the gun battle rages on. new reports on why nothing may get done even after the sandy hook tragedy. >>> a massive tax hike and spending cuts -- republicans and democrats continue to point fingers in opposite directions, hinting that talks could go into the new year. >> are we going over the cliff? >> i believe we are, and i think the president is eager to go over the cliff for political purposes. he senses a victory at the bottom of the cliff. >> we only have nine days left here. when are we going to get serious about actual solutions? i would welcome john to tell me. he says he wants a solution. give us one, john. >> meanwhile, president obama is spending christmas in hawaii where he and the first lady attended the holiday memorial servic
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